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Post: #16   PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:40 pm Reply with quote
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Post: #17   PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 12:03 pm Reply with quote
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skwatty wrote:
Hi,
I've just had the time to read your last post and I'm quite surprised,and a bit disappointed, to see how little you really do look into some of the sites you recommend.It is, as I thought you would be aware, a requirement to have a registered office if you are registered as a limited company. If you do not have an office, as is the case of your "favourable" site, you simply use the address of a mail forwarding company. It is perfectly legal, but does give an impression that is not always justified. It's really just a glorified P.O. box.
Also, software and server packages seem to play no part in your analysis on certain sites.You would think that a low budget software package being run on a low budget shared server is an important factor when giving any critique. Especially when they are running a good forum package along with the auction site, I assume you know how power hungry forums can be. This will have a knock on effect, causing slow page loading or even timing out completely on a regular basis, so if this ocurrs now, when the site does get busy it will simply crumble under the pressure. The fact that it doesn't have the power to light a 25 watt bulb,let alone a "shining beacon" doesn't seem to concern you.
I could go on, but quite frankly, I can't be bothered. Your opinions come across, still, as completely bias and what ever I say will obviously and curiously not change them.


Which site are we talking about? All the ones I mentioned seem to meet the legal requirements. Zolanta is a limited company and in the About Us section their registration number & registered office can clearly be found. Auctions Worldwide is run by an individual not a company. Again his details are disclosed as required. All the others I recommended are companies & you will find the company details on each site. Anyone sufficiently interested can pay a fee and obtain details of the directors registered at Companies House.

You are absolutely right that I'm not interested in what software sites use. I think this is something only of concern to site owners. None of the sites I recommended have any particular problems with slowness etc, although all can have occasional problems as does eBay.
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Post: #18   PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:02 pm Reply with quote
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Enthusiast wrote:
Hi Paul

I understand what you're saying. I like to try lots of sites too, but I won't register unless the registration process is secure, the ownership is disclosed


Hi enthusiast,
I've followed this thread with interest, but i fell i must add my opinion now. It does seem you have a criteria that sites must follow, which is absolutely right, but you tend to only follow it when it suits you, lets just look at the sites you tend to push in this forum, PGBids.. it doesn't have the secure registration and login process that you always insist on. Auctions Worldwide, that also doesn't have the secure registration and login either. Zolanta, uses the 'Small Firms Services Ltd' mail forwarding company address 'The Meridian, coventry' so it could be a company anywhere on the globe and you would be none the wiser. (google the address and you'll see what i mean)
So it's no wonder people tend to see your posts as a 'tad' bias.
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Post: #19   PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:04 pm Reply with quote
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Here we go again. I take it that you are connected with one of the sites I haven't ringingly endorsed which is what is causing you grief.

As far as pgbids are concerned, I've mentioned it here twice. Once I cited it as an example of an active site with lots of listings, which is the case. In the second reference to it, I said it was a site I might consider joining. That's hardly "pushing" the site. In fact I didn't join it because as you rightly point out its registratioin process isn't, currently, secure. So when I said to Paul (quackers) that I recommended certain sites as safe and active, that list didn't include pgbids. As for Auctions Worldwide, when I recommended it, the site did have a secure registration system. When I checked today it does not so I won't recommend that site until that is remedied. The others I mentioned eBid, Specialist Auctions, Tazbar & Zolanta are safe sites, with sales actually taking place & lots of items listed. There may well be other good sites but as I have no detailed knowledge of them I don't mention them in this context.

Zolanta's registered office - I'm not sure why this is a big issue for two people here. An address and the registration number are listed on the site. It is quite common for registered offices to be the addresses of solicitors, accountants etc. so I can't see what the problem is. It is the many sites plugged on here that don't give a clue as to ownership that people should be concerned about.

Any bias I have is in favour of good sites and I make no apologies for that!
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Post: #20   PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:55 pm Reply with quote
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This is only a big issue because you have made it so, it is you that goes on about secure registration, and it is you that goes on about knowing where the site owners are from and who they are, i merely pointed out the hypocracy in a few of your posts. Personally i think Zolanta is as good as any other start-up site, and i wish them well, it's a pity they have been caught up in this, but that's your fault not mine.
If you put yourself up as a bit of an authority figure, then you must expect to be shot down if you appear to have double standards, and i shall be happy to continue pointing out these issues as and when they appear.
Have a nice day..
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Post: #21   PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:00 pm Reply with quote
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Enthusiast wrote:


Which site are we talking about? All the ones I mentioned seem to meet the legal requirements. Zolanta is a limited company and in the About Us section their registration number & registered office can clearly be found. Auctions Worldwide is run by an individual not a company. Again his details are disclosed as required. All the others I recommended are companies & you will find the company details on each site. Anyone sufficiently interested can pay a fee and obtain details of the directors registered at Companies House.

You are absolutely right that I'm not interested in what software sites use. I think this is something only of concern to site owners. None of the sites I recommended have any particular problems with slowness etc, although all can have occasional problems as does eBay.


Hi Enthusiast,
I apologise if I've opened a can of worms, this was not my intention. I refrained from naming sites because we all have good intentions when setting out and mud slinging doesn't help anyone.
It says at the top of the page"Tips & Support for online auction users" and I believe it should be exactly that. Users can see what a site looks like and how many items and/or powersellers they have by going to the site themselves.Should it not be the things they can't see that a person like yourself should be advising them on ?
The fact that you say you are not interested is a concern for both site owners and prospective members who may be looking for guidance.
To give praise or to critisise purely based on what you see at first glance gives the impression that judgments are made on aesthetics and if the site is secure.As important as these things are, there is a lot more going on behind the scenes that could be stumbling blocks for Users and Owners, so as an enthusiast,surely this SHOULD interest you more than any other area.
Give guidance and support....to all.
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Post: #22   PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:44 pm Reply with quote
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This is only a big issue because you have made it so, it is you that goes on about secure registration, and it is you that goes on about knowing where the site owners are from and who they are, i merely pointed out the hypocracy in a few of your posts. Personally i think Zolanta is as good as any other start-up site, and i wish them well, it's a pity they have been caught up in this, but that's your fault not mine.
If you put yourself up as a bit of an authority figure, then you must expect to be shot down if you appear to have double standards, and i shall be happy to continue pointing out these issues as and when they appear.
Have a nice day..


I think most people have the intelligence to work out what is going on here (there are far far more people reading these forums than the number actually posting). I don't see any "double standards" in what I've said. Anything I post here aims to be constructive but of course they are my personal opinions, which at the end of the day people will make their own mind up about. If I had a an axe to grind I'd be just pushing one site, not praising several.

As you've only been here for all of 5 minutes, I'm amused you have decided to appoint yourself guardian of the site's standards. This rather makes me think you are probably a troll, ie one of those folk who spend half their lives on forums stirring things up for their own sad amusement. If so, I doubt whether you'll get the fuel here to keep you going.
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Post: #23   PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:46 pm Reply with quote
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skwatty wrote:
Enthusiast wrote:


Which site are we talking about? All the ones I mentioned seem to meet the legal requirements. Zolanta is a limited company and in the About Us section their registration number & registered office can clearly be found. Auctions Worldwide is run by an individual not a company. Again his details are disclosed as required. All the others I recommended are companies & you will find the company details on each site. Anyone sufficiently interested can pay a fee and obtain details of the directors registered at Companies House.

You are absolutely right that I'm not interested in what software sites use. I think this is something only of concern to site owners. None of the sites I recommended have any particular problems with slowness etc, although all can have occasional problems as does eBay.


Hi Enthusiast,
I apologise if I've opened a can of worms, this was not my intention. I refrained from naming sites because we all have good intentions when setting out and mud slinging doesn't help anyone.
It says at the top of the page"Tips & Support for online auction users" and I believe it should be exactly that. Users can see what a site looks like and how many items and/or powersellers they have by going to the site themselves.Should it not be the things they can't see that a person like yourself should be advising them on ?
The fact that you say you are not interested is a concern for both site owners and prospective members who may be looking for guidance.
To give praise or to critisise purely based on what you see at first glance gives the impression that judgments are made on aesthetics and if the site is secure.As important as these things are, there is a lot more going on behind the scenes that could be stumbling blocks for Users and Owners, so as an enthusiast,surely this SHOULD interest you more than any other area.
Give guidance and support....to all.
Happy New Year.


Thanks for your reply. I think we will have to agree to differ. I post on the topics that interest me and on which I think I can say something of value. I don't have the time or the intention to look at every site being promoted on here. As part of a discussion with another member, I mentioned a number of sites that I considered he could beneficially and safely join. There are no doubt others. With one exception, which I discussed in an earlier post in this thread, all the sites I recommended remain in my opinion and experience recommendable. I can't really add anything to that.

If you or others think your site or others are wonderful, then you have every right to come here and present the virtues of those sites. Sometimes people will agree, other times they won't, but at the end of the day for sellers and purchasers what they want are sites that are safe, and where there are a lot of items to buy, and equally important that there are actual sales taking place. Too many site owners come on here and think their site is wonderful because it looks beautiful or it runs on the latest software. As someone who is a buyer and a seller and NOT a site owner, those are very secondary considerations. People want to be where the sales are and not waste their precious time on "also ran" sites.
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Post: #24   PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:51 pm Reply with quote
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Hi,
You are absolutely right about "also ran" sites. But to be honest, unless you happen to own one of the top three sites, you are an "also ran". You can't really sub-categorize it any less. Some have more items than others but still don't achieve more sales than sites with less but more desirable items. The sites that do well, will do so farely quickly (snowball effect).This is the point I was trying to make, if a site is not prepared it will not survive. De-bugging new software is not a five minute job, so waiting until the site is busy before upgrading to a new robust package that can handle more users is surely the wrong way to go.
People want sites that sell items they want, not hundreds of pieces of tat from a trader that will never sell but do bulk up the listings nicely.All sites do it, you just need to see past that before making judgment.
I don't think we'll agree,but its good to discuss it, almost like grown-ups.
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Post: #25   PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:29 pm Reply with quote
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Enthusiast wrote:


I think most people have the intelligence to work out what is going on here (there are far far more people reading these forums than the number actually posting). I don't see any "double standards" in what I've said. Anything I post here aims to be constructive but of course they are my personal opinions, which at the end of the day people will make their own mind up about. If I had a an axe to grind I'd be just pushing one site, not praising several.

As you've only been here for all of 5 minutes, I'm amused you have decided to appoint yourself guardian of the site's standards. This rather makes me think you are probably a troll, ie one of those folk who spend half their lives on forums stirring things up for their own sad amusement. If so, I doubt whether you'll get the fuel here to keep you going.


It does amuse me when somebody resorts to throwing out insults and unfounded accusations as their only reply to an argument. The fact that i'm a new member has no bearing on the points i put forward, and you have no idea how long i may have been reading these threads before i decided to post a comment, so it is irrelivant whether i signed up 5 months or 5 minutes ago, i still have a right to state my opinions, and just because i have the audacity to question your motives you get the hump and start throwing out accusations of being a 'troll'. I have read many threads on this forum and if there is a 'troll' it is most likely to be Mr 'I could sue you all', but i'll leave that matter for another day, no doubt we'll cross paths sometime.
I stand by the points i raised earlier, the matter of the secure pages is settled, you were wrong and i corrected you, i'm happy to lay that subject to rest, but i must just add with respect to your mentions of those two sites i did use the term 'push' and i should have said 'recommend' and i stand corrected on that point.
The matter concerning new sites hiding behind a mail forwarding company's address, and using that company's address as a registered office should be a concern, and i know perfectly well that is is totally legal, but it is a bit of a loophole for anybody, from anywhere in the world, for a modest fee to get themselves a UK limited company name and registered office address, but the fact remains they could be a group of individuals from China, Thailand, or anywhere else and we would not be aware of that fact. I am not suggesting for a minute that the site you recommend is owned by foreign individuals, and you may personally know their identities and where-abouts, but for the rest of us there is nothing on the site that tells us anything other than the fact that they use another company's office and mail forwarding service, it is litte more than a P.O.Box and gives no actual indication as to who or where the owner are. I truly believe this potential loophole is worth pointing out. The more you robustly defend one site, while pointing out the lack of the owner's disclosure on other sites, then it will, and does give the impression that you may have more to do with that particular site than you let on, in which case it could be seen as 'Blatant or underhand advertising', which i'm sure you know isn't allowed in this forum.[/i]
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Post: #26   PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:57 am Reply with quote
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Terminator,

Just to mention that I have no worries about Enthusiast's motives
whatsoever. Over a long time he has offered his opinions and advice
to many a member and I haven't thought any of it was biased towards
any particular site. His help is appreciated not only by myself but also
by other members who have commented on it.

The points that he has highlighted previously regards new auctions
coming on to the market are pertinent ones. Whilst I agree that it is
fairly easy to obtain a UK business mailing address - the alternative
of having no details listed at all is IMHO a lot worse.

Enthusiast, like everyone, is entitled to express their opinion on any new
site that wishes to post here - of course when posting people should
try to be constructive. Hopefully over time that has happened here and
in a small way we may have helped some sites.

Cheers

Steve
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